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    If you shared only an image of the chart in question, the whole chart would need to be entered in the editor one step at a time in order to make/try changes to it. Posting the chart correctly allows others to easily download, play and edit.

    The Single-bar line closing the measure at the end of a system (line) and starting the measure at the beginning of the next system is (musically) the same barline. (and is automatically placed) That's why it's sometimes necessary to end/start systems with a double-bar. (I'd add a double-bar at the start of your 1st C-section)

    Sections are usually opened and closed with double bars.

    Chart Layout Conventions
    http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...&p=301#post301

    Even though left and right bar lines serve the same function, the editor treats them separately when deleting. It can get confusing. You can accidentally superimpose two, delete one...but it seems to still be there.

    In iReal pro the V-mark (verse) functions the same as the IN-mark = play only once unless instructed differently by a DC.
    When used to designate a verse/chorus format the player may function differently than you expect.

    https://www.irealb.com/forums/showth...s-(V-C)-vs-A-B

    Did you see this?
    https://www.irealb.com/forums/showth...son-Tony-Asher

    )BOB

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    Sure I understand it is functionally the same barline, but in the situation where you want to have only 2 or 3 bars on a line, since there are a fixed number of cells per line and the work-around is to leave the last bar or two blank, then having that first barline from the next line display at the end of the blank bar on the previous line is confusing for the player. Makes the blank space look like part of the form. Musically speaking it's really the ending barline of the 3rd bar that is the same as the beginning barline of the next line.

    Adding to my confusion working on it is the fact that the editor's barline button would be blue in spite of there being a line there. BTW I tried from the cells on both sides of it. Were you able to clear the mid-line barline in my example? I could not until I cleared the cell content completely. Also what about the one barline that I could delete, then create the beginning one on the next line without it reappearing - but it would reappear the next time I edited it? Seems like a bug.

    As far as using double-bars between sections, seems to me that is a matter of preference (I typically do with manuscript but on this format it seems to add clutter to me) but in any case would that affect the behavior of the other barlines? In other words, if I closed out a section with a double-barline at the end of the 2nd or 3rd bar (followed by a blank one) and began the next section with a barline, would that double-barline prevent the leading barline of the next section from also appearing at the end of the previous line?

    [EDIT: what am I talking about, I did put doulbe-barlines at the ends of the sections. . .)

    As far as the V mark & repeats, I'm not using this for play-along so for clarity to the (contemporary) musicians it makes more sense to call it a verse, as I believe Brian Wilson would!

    I had not seen that version. I think it's missing some of the changes - I'll cross-post mine to it. Thanks. It's a very cool song, there's a great "behind the music" episode out there on how it was recorded.

    Thanks for the help. I think this is a really great app & one of my favorite things about it is being able to create these "sharpie" style charts, which you can't get out of Finale et al.
    Last edited by Paulbrainard; 06-20-2022 at 02:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulbrainard View Post
    Sure I understand it is functionally the same barline, but in the situation where you want to have only 2 or 3 bars on a line, since there are a fixed number of cells per line and the work-around is to leave the last bar or two blank, then having that first barline from the next line display at the end of the blank bar on the previous line is confusing for the player. Makes the blank space look like part of the form. Musically speaking it's really the ending barline of the 3rd bar that is the same as the beginning barline of the next line.

    Adding to my confusion working on it is the fact that the editor's barline button would be blue in spite of there being a line there. BTW I tried from the cells on both sides of it. Were you able to clear the mid-line barline in my example? I could not until I cleared the cell content completely. Also what about the one barline that I could delete, then create the beginning one on the next line without it reappearing - but it would reappear the next time I edited it? Seems like a bug.

    As far as using double-bars between sections, seems to me that is a matter of preference (I typically do with manuscript but on this format it seems to add clutter to me) but in any case would that affect the behavior of the other barlines? In other words, if I closed out a section with a double-barline at the end of the 2nd or 3rd bar (followed by a blank one) and began the next section with a barline, would that double-barline prevent the leading barline of the next section from also appearing at the end of the previous line?

    As far as the V mark & repeats, I'm not using this for play-along so for clarity to the (contemporary) musicians it makes more sense to call it a verse, as I believe Brian Wilson would!

    I had not seen that version. I think it's missing some of the changes - I'll cross-post mine to it. Thanks. It's a very cool song, there's a great "behind the music" episode out there on how it was recorded.

    Thanks for the help. I think this is a really great app & one of my favorite things about it is being able to create these "sharpie" style charts, which you can't get out of Finale et al.

    if I closed out a section with a double-barline at the end of the 2nd or 3rd bar (followed by a blank one) and began the next section with a barline, would that double-barline prevent the leading barline of the next section from also appearing at the end of the previous line?
    Yes.

    In iRp you gotta choose, would you rather have the confusing blank measure and orphan single bar or the “clutter” of a double-bar at the start of the section.

    You can certainly post “read-only” charts that don’t correctly play in the player, but....when you share charts here, remember that other users may wish to practice (or sing) along with the player.

    It's best to use the correct A B C format and then use text to label VERSE and CHORUS if you want to.

    )BOB

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    Oh I didn't realize text labels were available. Still getting the hang of it. . . doesn't look like they can be enclosed or highlighted?

    But, I was running into these extra barlines even with double barlines at the end of the previous section. And that other one was in the middle of a mid-line bar between two normal barlines. So something is going on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulbrainard View Post
    Oh I didn't realize text labels were available. Still getting the hang of it. . .
    Previously suggested
    (check out everything that's hiding behind the question-mark at the top of most any app page)
    It's a process... there's a lot to learn!
    )BOB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulbrainard View Post
    ...Also what about the one barline that I could delete, then create the beginning one on the next line without it reappearing - but it would reappear the next time I edited it? Seems like a bug.
    ...
    The idea behind a single left barline at the beginning of a system (new line) creating a right barline at the end of the system above (at the right end) is this:
    When you are adding [chords ... Next, next] ... left barline, [chords ... Next, next] ....left barline, you can do this quickly without having to think about the location of the cursor (moving to the next measure or system). No need to add the single right barline at the end of any system because it is created automatically.
    If you are starting a new line with a left double barline, then normally you would have ended the previous measure (system above, at the right end) with a right double barline or closing repeat barline.

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