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    Default 7#5#11 or whole tone chords?

    Would be nice to have a whole tone chord or X7(-5+5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymb1 View Post
    Would be nice to have a whole tone chord or X7(-5+5).
    In jazz, the term altered chord, notated as an alt chord (e.g. G7alt ), refers to a dominant chord, in which neither the fifth nor the ninth appears unaltered—namely, where the 5th and the 9th are raised or lowered by a single semitone, or omitted. Altered chords are thus constructed using the following notes, some of which may be omitted:

    root (typically omitted by comping chord-playing instrumentalists)
    3rd ♭5th and/or ♯5th (the ♭5th is often expressed as ♯11)
    From : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_chord (Lots more discussion there)

    More:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_tone_scale

    In iReal pro, the player accepts x9#5 (the closest to a whole tone chord), x7#5, x7b5, x7#11 and x7alt.

    Until your requested chord can be played by the player (for reader charts you can already write it) your best choice in specific situations can be selected from this example chart:

    Whole Tone vs Various alt Chord Forms - Example


    )BOB
    Last edited by pdxdjazz; 12-02-2017 at 02:08 AM.

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    Thanks Bob. Completely forgot about the alt chord.

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    Yes, the 9th(#5) chord would be closest for a whole tone sound.
    Alt chords implies a b9th or #9th, so not suitable for whole tone harmony

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