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As many tunes uses this type of chord, it would be nice to have it in IRP.
It's basically a diminished chord with a major 7th instead of diminished 7th (1, b3, b5, 7), so for a C dimished, that would be C, Eb, Gb, B.
It can also be noted as a B7b9/C but without the 7th (A).
Some popular standard using this type of chord: Corcovado, How insensitive (Jobim), My favorite things (Coltrane version), to name a few.
Yeah, good idea! Even in pop songs you see this chord being used.
Yes, it should be usefull to have diminished chords with altered tensions. For example also a dim chord with b13 (e.g.: Cdim(b13)).
Sure, but Cdim(b13) could easily be written as Ab7/C in IRP.
Well, Ab7/C is something like Ab, C, Eb, Gb with C on bass.
Cdim(b13) is C, Eb Gb, Ab Bbb(A). It is not the same.
Maybe you could put Ab7/A (A, Ab, C, Eb, Gb) but it is not the same as the bass is different and the pitches will sound against a A and not a C.
Oh I see, you meant C dim7(b13), not just C dim(b13). Yes, of course, that's different then.
How about an Ab7(b9)/C ?
OK, pitches are the same. However, I think the if you force a bass note, IRP will not walk the bass anymore and you get the same pitch on bass till next chord.
Viceversa, you should have bass walking over a diminished scale (hopefully). Moreover Ab7(b9) is an altered chord. Again I do not know how IRP will use this information for piano comping and bass walking. For sure, it is not the same as for a diminished chord.
Yes of course, it's not the same. But I think this would be the closest you can get in IRP at this time.
Also to consider, is that when using slash chords with chords of 4 or more notes, IRP skips some of the top notes for polyphony reason I think, like having a CMaj7/G, IRP player would only play C/G (skipping the Maj7).
Yes. That's why I'm crossing my fingers to have altered diminished chords.
To go back to your reply about how IRP works against chords with bass note, I already notice what you have written.
maybe, it cout be useful to have chord made up f to triads, one over the other: D/C. That is: C-E-G at the bottom, D-F#-A at top. You could easily build up altered chords and whatever you want. But this is a different request.
Yes, stacking up triads would be a good idea!
Please add support for diminished major seventh chords (flat 3rf, flat 5th, major 7th)
I like using this chord in "But not for me" to work with the melody at the beggings of the 2nd and 4th quarters of the form. Also the second chord of "Corcovado"
Thanks
Would like to see a diminished triad with a major 7th added to the chord chart. Possible?
Yes, please!
I know this is an old thread, but I'm reviving as I just ran into this problem. I think a Diminished Major 7th is a reasonable request and much needed in the app.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilleB
We still have this on our list, sorry. Not in the current version (v10.1)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola504
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Originally Posted by fsansing
Would like to renew request for this chord as I often use it.
Cdim maj7 = C Eb Gb BQuote:
Originally Posted by raymb1
What notes are in B/C ?
:))BOB
Wouldn't the bass notes be different i.e., C to Eb. In one chord it would be C - C sharp (Db) - Eb. In the other, C - D natural - Eb.
I think in the player, a bass note designated by a slash is pedaled. (In this case C) the "walking scale" would be up to the reader. So you agree that just from a notes-in-chord perspective the two chords contain the same notes?Quote:
Originally Posted by raymb1
:))BOBQuote:
Originally Posted by pdxdjazz
Yes to your last question,Quote:
Originally Posted by pdxdjazz
no to a walking bass line, B/C would have a C# and C dim Maj7 would have a D natural. F# or F and A or A#. Since I'm a pianist the bass line is more important to me.
Yup, it's just a suboptimal workaround for the chord quality.
:))BOB
This is why having this chord (dim maj7) in the library as stand alone chord is important.
The other reason is that other chords could be built with a dim maj7 using slash chords.
For ex: flamenco music often uses chords such as CdimMaj/B
Jjazzlab (backing-track desktop application, all platforms) has dimMaj7 chords.
The best workaround I've found so far is using a E7b9/G# (for a G#dim Maj7)
I think you mean E7#9/G#Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilleB
Sorry, I meant E7b9/F (for Fdim Maj7)
Now, if we could control the chord inversion............
Yes, this is another problem. I wish we could have more control over voicings and inversions
You can also try E7/F. That way IRP will play the E note in a higher position than the F note (for F dim Maj7)
Working on adding the diminished major 7th chord now.
C Eb Gb B
Sounds great! Thanks for adding it!
And while we're at it, here's a list that I've compiled a while ago of all the missing chords that would be needed in IRP. Those chords below can't be emulated by using slash chords:
C2(Maj7) or CMaj9(omit 3): 1, 2, 5, 7 (can be used to play a Gsus(add3)
C(#4): 1, 5, 3, #4
C(b5): 1, 3, b5
Cm13: 1, b3, 5, b7, 9, 11, 13
Cm(add9): 1, b3, 5, 9 (for pop/rock/folk)
Cm7(add11): 1, b3, 5, b7, 11
Dim(Maj7): 1, b3, b5, 7
Cm7(add13): 1, b3, 5, b7, 13
C-9(add13): 1, b3, 5, b7, 9, 13
C7(omit 3): 1, 5, b7 (for blues/rock)
C (bass): 1
CMaj13(#11): 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, #11, 13
C(b9): 1, b9, 3, 5 (for flamenco)
C13b9(#11): 1, b7, b9, 3, #11, 13
CMaj7sus: 1, 4, 5, 7
That's a lot of unusual chords.
I will slowly go through the feature request posts and see if there are chord qualities that many people are asking for.
I won't clutter the editor with obscure chords that would only benefit a coupe of people.
Yes, of course, priority should be to the most used ones. This list is just for information. Some of those chords are genre specific (flamenco, blues, fusion,...)
This is the result I came up with after transcribing about 2000 tunes in all styles. Those chords are the ones where I couldn't find any substitute in the library to reproduce the same harmonic sound.
The Diminished Major 7th chord is now available for testing in the iOS beta on TestFlight: https://testflight.apple.com/join/s0ijUrAi
Coming in the next Mac beta soon and to Android sometime early in the new year.
Diminished major 7th chords are now also available in the latest beta version of iReal Pro for Android.
Looks very nice, great work!
I have one question regarding the new added chords: What happens if I share a chart that includes the new chord to a device that is still running the previous version of IRP?
It will show up as an unrecognized chord type and won't play.
I understand. That makes sense!
I've tried the two new chords. They both sound great. The minor add 9 is definitely very welcome. I might use a bit less the diminished Maj7 since a G#dim Maj7 can also be emulated by using a G7b9/Ab. I guess the only difference is that the G#dim Maj7 doesn't have the F note. So I might use either one depending of the context.
I hope sometimes in the future we can also get the minor 13. This one cannot be emulated at all
Very interesting discussion... To me this sounds like Ab7#9.
Never saw this chord passing in the above discussion.