Martha Mier's jazz Raggs and Blues book

Hello,

I registered here to ask some question, before buying the app.
My piano teachers said that there are some app that create a band to play along with your piano practise. I found this app.
Currentky, i am learning some Martha Mier's jazz Raggs and Blues song from book 1. http://www.alfred.com/Products/A--00-6642.aspx

Are these song already in the library to download? If yes, where can i find them. If no, would anyone be so kind to put in the "Just Struttin Along" and "Ragtime Do Si Do"
if you pm me your email, i can send you the piano score (very short)

many thanks, Johan

You can search the thousands of user generated charts in the forums by title, keyword, composer etc.
Just select the magnifying glass icon at the top of any page.
The iReal pro app is needed to download charts.
The app does indeed have an excellent player feature.
:))BOB

If I search on composers name "Martha Mier" no result, neither on song name. is there a way to get it in the list by request?

Or simply enter the chord changes using the app's built-in editor.

Ask your instructor to help you.

http://irealpro.com/input-a-complete...der-3-minutes/
:))BOB

ok Thx,

Is there a free Time limited trying period or a version with less functions, before buying the app?
Do you create new songs also on the smartphone or tablet, or is there a web based GUI to make&edit songs (easier on big screen)?

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Originally Posted by johand

ok Thx,

Is there a free Time limited trying period or a version with less functions, before buying the app?
Do you create new songs also on the smartphone or tablet, or is there a web based GUI to make&edit songs (easier on big screen)?

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No free trial or iReal pro "lite" version
Full info:
http://irealpro.com
:))BOB

to help me started, can anyone help me to define the chord scheme of this little piece?

Just Struttin' Along - Mier
:))BOB

Wow, this is great. i bought the app and tried this song and it WORKED :)

Many thanks, Johan

I tried to do my next piece myself, but not sure if it is OK. It has more to with knowing about music theory than working with the app.
Ragtime Do Si Do - Mier
Could anybody have a look and correct me if I am wrong or give further advice? Following pieces i will try to solve with my piano teacher.
Many Thanks, Johan

Some quick observations (I'll leave it to you to make any edits you want)

The first arpeggiated chord is a diminished: Co, same as a Co7, C dim, C dim7
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...6025#post16025

The "splotch" (blank chord) is used to add specific bass notes (slash chords) without re-writing the chord's root over and over. The first slash chord's root must be entered, otherwise the player will use the previous chord (which may not be what you intend)

I think you may prefer your first Bb (bar 6) as a G or G7 chord.

Can you hear the difference between a major chord (triad) 1,3,5. (C,E,G or F,A,C) and a minor chord 1,3b,5. (C,Eb,G or F,Ab,C)? You might like the second F (C-section bar 5) better as an F- (Fmin, F minor)

Listening is the key!

Are you are missing a bar-line between the Eb and D? Without one, the player will treat the two together as a single measure.

For a first chart without any chord theory background,
(you'll find that very helpful as you approach jazz,
"It's all about the *changes*, man!")
your chart is a really good start.

Keep after it! iReal pro will change your life. (It did for me)

As you work-up the Mier book charts with your instructor's help, please share your work in this thread to help other students.
We're all in this together.

:))BOB

Hello, First of all, Thanks for helping me out.

I started almost 2 yrs ago without any music knowledge. I have since then classical piano training, so I know something about chords (not that much). I do know and hear the difference between majorand minor triads. I also know that 7th chords have that last (7th) note attached to the major and minor chord. But that's about it. Don't know exactly what augmented and diminished is, but that's stuff for later I guess...

1 - Can you clarify this a little, Do you mean "/" by "splotch" You are talking about bar 3 and 4 no? What should it be in those bars?
"The "splotch" (blank chord) is used to add specific bass notes (slash chords) without re-writing the chord's root over and over. The first slash chord's root must be entered, otherwise the player will use the previous chord (which may not be what you intend)"

2 - I think you may prefer your first Bb (bar 6) as a G or G7 chord.
I changed it but I don't know exactly why. There is no G note in that 6th bar?

Ragtime Do Si Do - Mier

I will post all future Martha Mier's pieces I tackle with my teacher in this thread.
Should I edit posts with earlier versions of this piece (and delete it there) to keep the forums clean, and only have 1 correct version in the thread?

BR, Johan

PS: I saw someone entered Tim Richards book "Improvising Blues Piano" in here. That's also great! I just began in that book.
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...s-piano-chpt-1

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Originally Posted by johand

Hello, First of all, Thanks for helping me out.

Can you clarify this a little, Do you mean "/" by "splotch" You are talking about bar 3 and 4 no? What should it be in those bars?

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The slash "/” is used in two ways.
1. Chords should be entered on the first space in a measure. If they are to start later in the measure, enter a slash (/) on each beat where the chord from the preceding measure is to be continued.
|C |//D |G |

2. As part of a chord to designate a specific bass note as part of the chord.
eg. C7/Bb (a C7 chord with a Bb bass note)

When there is a specific bass sequence under a chord, you can use the invisible "splotch" or blob (which only shows in the editor) instead of writing the chord name each time when the only note changing is the bass note.
The first slash chord's name must be entered, otherwise the player will use the previous chord (which may not be what you intend)


bass notes
also known as inversions, bass notes only, hidden chords, invisible chords
To hide the chord symbol but provide a bass note, use the invisible character. It looks like a blue (pink in android) blob in Song edit, and is used as a blank for the chord letter. In Song edit, tap on/click the invisible character (it only shows in Song Edit) then insert a Slash, then enter the bass note. In the Mac version, you can also type w.

Here is an example:

Invisible - Test

:))BOB

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Originally Posted by johand

2 - I think you may prefer your first Bb (bar 6) as a G or G7 chord.
I changed it but I don't know exactly why. There is no G note in that 6th bar?
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Should I edit posts with earlier versions of this piece (and delete it there) to keep the forums clean, and only have 1 correct version in the thread?

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2- Listen to it both ways as you play along with the player and choose the one that sounds better.

When all the Mier-book charts are posted, we'll combine them into a single playlist.

Since our posted discussion applies to the initially posted version, it makes sense (and may be instructive to others) to leave the first chart up.
If you post a chart, then notice an error, it would make sense to edit the chart and just replace the first one with the corrected one.
:))BOB

Test - Unknown Composer
I tied to find some differences, but not hearing them. Maybe don't know what to listen for...? I muted the piano
Maybe you can link me to a simple chart,w here i can hear clearly the differences when working with "/", "%", NC or just leave it blank?

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Originally Posted by johand

Maybe you can link me to a simple chart,w here i can hear clearly the differences when working with "/", "%", NC or just leave it blank?

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Bar Repeat Signs, Slash, N-C- - Example

:))BOB

Johand,

It's a pretty good chart, with just a couple of chords that I would change.

Here's a revision using some of the the bass lines that are in the printed music, as well as the chord changes I recommend.

Notice that what you have as C - Bb - A - Ab is actually C - C7/Bb - F/A - Ab7, a common ragtime cliché.

Ragtime Do Si Do Rev - Mier

Cheers,
Jer

P.S. The confusion over the Bb chord is probably because a G7 chord is what one might normally expect there in that harmonic progression. However, as the printed music shows, the composer intended what you correctly wrote, C alternating with Bb.

Great chart Jer, you've set the bar pretty high for the rest of his charts...
:))BOB

As I understand Bob's last post, this is a quite difficult/advanced version? I do want the most simple chart as derived from the original score. I appreciate your help, but as a beginner, I must first learn how to put chord chart together in it's most simple form.

That's why it's good to look at multiple versions of the same song. Ask yourself what's different, why it's different, and which do YOU like? It's not right or wrong, correct or incorrect, better or worse. It's jazz. It's expressive. It evolves.
Enjoy your journey.

LISTEN

:))BOB

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Originally Posted by engelbach

...with just a couple of chords that I would change.
Ragtime Do Si Do Rev - Mier

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You made a great chart to practise for me! thanks. it sound so much nicer. If you got the time have a look at my "Just Struttin Along" (see pm), it would be great to show that to my teacher.
PS: I have 2 other songs from that book I want to learn :)

Thank you, Bob.

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Originally Posted by johand

You made a great chart to practise for me! thanks. it sound so much nicer. If you got the time have a look at my "Just Struttin Along" (see pm), it would be great to show that to my teacher.
PS: I have 2 other songs from that book I want to learn :)

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joghand,

You're welcome. I get a great deal of enjoyment working out harmonies.

I don't know the melody to Just Struttin' Along, but those changes moving down stepwise the are pretty standard, so they look fine to me.

Cheers,
Jer

Hello,

My teacher was so enthousiast about my new app, that she was going to buy it as well!
We had a few questions:

1. For Martha mier's Just Struttin Along, there's "Jazz Medium Swing" and the band plays triplets for 2 1/8 notes
https://goo.gl/photos/uGGyniLnW9yJ67M98
2. For Ragtime Do Si Do, the band also plays triplets, but it should play 2 1/8 notes evenly. How do I set this?
https://goo.gl/photos/ppx9btL3br86TH396

I want to buy a book with most tunes that I can find in the 1300 Jazz standards or The Gig Book thread.
The book should be fun for a 2yrs piano student. Which book do I buy? And what are the easiest jazz pieces I should tackle?

iReal pro charts can't easily show pushes, triplets, off-beat accents and syncopations.

Some users try to force the player to play half-beats.
Half-beats
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...-on-half-beats
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...chopate-chords

As to references, download the GGB lead-sheets. You will learn to play chords* with your left hand and also become familiar with standards.
Link here:
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...2838#post32838

*remember to check out the piano-chord display function in the iReal pro app!

Easy pieces?
Start with a tune that's already familiar to you. (there are reasons why they are "standards")

Jumping straight into the jazz end of the pool is ambitious.

Look at this playlist too:
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...0215#post30215

Nothing new is easy, 'til it is...
:))BOB

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Originally Posted by pdxdjazz

iReal pro charts can't easily show pushes, triplets, off-beat accents and syncopations.

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So if i play Ragtime Do Si Do with iRealPro, I just have to play it with triplets? To take the easy way?

The iRp accomaniment is just that, accompaniment. The lead instrument still has full expressive freedom.
Read this post again, I've added to it since your post:
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...3982#post33982
:))BOB

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Originally Posted by johand

1. For Martha mier's Just Struttin Along, there's "Jazz Medium Swing" and the band plays triplets for 2 1/8 notes
https://goo.gl/photos/uGGyniLnW9yJ67M98

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This one you can use the Jazz medium swing. It indicates that the 8th notes are played in a swing feel even though they are notated as even 8ths.

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Originally Posted by johand

2. For Ragtime Do Si Do, the band also plays triplets, but it should play 2 1/8 notes evenly. How do I set this?
https://goo.gl/photos/ppx9btL3br86TH396

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This one says 'even 8ths' so it is telling you to play them as they are notated (not as a swing feel.)
So you can choose Jazz Even 8ths or Ballad Even.

Remember you can change the tempo, so making sure you play it correctly (many many times), before you choose a slightly faster tempo.

I hope you and your teacher are having fun with all this.
:)

Thx Dflat, I will try that out. Did Bob misunderstood/nterpreted my question or am i missing something? "iReal pro charts can't easily show pushes, triplets, off-beat accents and syncopations."

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Originally Posted by johand

Thx Dflat, I will try that out. Did Bob misunderstood/nterpreted my question or am i missing something? "iReal pro charts can't easily show pushes, triplets, off-beat accents and syncopations."

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Yes, I misunderstood that you were inquiring about the rhythmic "feel" of the available styles.
By "How do I set this?" I thought you were asking about altering an existing style.

I think you're off to a great start.
:))BOB

Is this the book I need with the Jazz 1300 tunes i can find here? there are also Bb and Eb version, but i need the C right?
http://www.crescendo-music.com/artik...l-version.html

Have you downloaded the Great Gig Book (Blue Book) pdf?
http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/moneychords/ggb1.pdf
The price is right.

You will want the "C" version if you buy books.
There sure are a lot of RealBooks out there...
:))BOB

If someone could shed a light for mistakes. So far i only did the first 3 lines.

Seventh Street Blues - Martha Mier

There's only one page on your link. Second page?

Here's what I have:

Seventh Street Blues Rev - Martha Mier

Your Bb7 chords could just as well be Bb6 chords. Since the composer only has plain vanilla triads, which in themselves are not very bluesy, you're free to make whatever changes you like to make it more soulful.

Cheers,
Jer

Thx Jer, I added the 2nd page in my previous post.

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Originally Posted by johand

Thx Jer, I added the 2nd page in my previous post.

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johand,

Here's the complete tune.

Seventh Street Blues Rev 2 - Martha Mier

The G7b13 chords could be straight G7 chords. The Eb in the melody is just a blue note that needn't be reflected in the chord.

The G7b13 in bar 11 and the G7#5 at the end of the bridge are the same chord. However, the melody over the G7b13 includes a natural 5 (D), and I don't like to notate chords that contradict what's in the melody. One solution is to show two different chords in bar 11: G7#5 under the Eb note and plain G7 under the D note.

Cheers,
Jer

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Originally Posted by engelbach

Here's the complete tune.

Seventh Street Blues Rev 2 - Martha Mier

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Again, many thanks for your help