More "advanced" chord options

I use iRealPro to compose harmonies around my melodies, and since I am a fusion/post-bop/avant-garde composer, I find myself unable to write out the chords I actually want, a lot of the time.

It would be great if you could add:

X7sus13 and X-7sus13
X7(add 6) and X-7(add 6)
X+7 (Augmented triad, dominant 7)
X+Maj7 (Augmented triad, major 7)
XdimMaj7 (diminished triad, major 7)
X7(#11b9)
XMaj7(#11b9)
X-7(#11b9)
Modal chords (Xlyd., Xphryg., etc.)

I may have forgot some in there, but adding these would be a huge help!

-Craig

you can do a lot with the forward slash /
Like D/Eb and E/Eb ....

some piano players are like harmonic mad scientists
I think I'll make this my quote;)

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Originally Posted by Bobsax

some piano players are like harmonic mad scientists

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Couldn't agree more. One of my favourite sayings is "these guitar chords seem to be contrived by a piano player".

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Originally Posted by cabe277

I use iRealPro to compose harmonies around my melodies, and since I am a fusion/post-bop/avant-garde composer, I find myself unable to write out the chords I actually want, a lot of the time.

It would be great if you could add:

X7sus13 and X-7sus13
X7(add 6) and X-7(add 6)
X+7 (Augmented triad, dominant 7)
X+Maj7 (Augmented triad, major 7)
XdimMaj7 (diminished triad, major 7)
X7(#11b9)
XMaj7(#11b9)
X-7(#11b9)
Modal chords (Xlyd., Xphryg., etc.)

I may have forgot some in there, but adding these would be a huge help!

-Craig

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Most of your chords are in iRealpro. Just written differently than yours. Ray

For example G7sus13 = Dm9/G assuming your sus means sus 4

I agree, but in some instances, iReal pro doesn't always play slash chords correctly (especially when the upper part of the chord is 4 notes or more).
For example, a CMaj7/G is actually played as a C/G chord (omitting the Major 7th).
I couldn't find a way to play that chord (2nd bar of the verse from the song "Something" by the Beatles).
It sounds weird without the Maj 7th, because there should be a chromatic descending motion from root, Maj7, min7.
Anyway, I just bring this to your attention.

I would like to see a "Custom Chords " addition to the App. So that I can create and edit my Chords. Like a Major7b5 for instance which be different than A Maj7#11. I would buy the Upgrade.

I think it would be Nice with a extra custom setting where Ine could actually compose ones own voicings of the chosen Chords , There one could also make any mad harmony scientist decision one wanted to :-)

Yes, this is a very good idea!

The editor already has a great number of chord structures, however it'd be awesome if it allowed more of them, such as:
• X-∆7♭5 (minor chord with a flat five and a major seven)
• X-∆13 (minor chord with a major seven and an added 13)
• …

C-∆7♭5 for instance is actually a B/C (B triad over C bass). This kind of chord can be played without any problem with iRealPro
About the other one X-∆13, I don't think iRealPro can play it exactly.
Using slash chords gives lots of options.
Rather than having a chord library that display all possible combination of chords (possible few thousands!), it would make more sense to have basic chord structures to create all type of chords using slash chords.
I've mentioned in previous posts a few basic chord structures that are missing in iRealPro. With those ones added, a lot of new chords could be created without any problem using slash chords.
For ex:
1) C(b5) which includes the notes C, E and Gb (without the 7th)
2) C-(add9) which includes the notes C, Eb, G, D (without the 7th)
3) Csus(add3) which includes the notes C, F, E, G (without the 7th)
(That chord played with A on the bass Csus(add3)/A can creates a real minor 7th flat 6 chord (FMaj7/A doesn't sound the same with iRealPro). A bunch of other chords could be created as well when using other notes on the bass.
If the developers could add those three chord types, that could considerably expand the chord choices!

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Originally Posted by cabe277

I use iRealPro to compose harmonies around my melodies, and since I am a fusion/post-bop/avant-garde composer, I find myself unable to write out the chords I actually want, a lot of the time.
-Craig

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Perhaps iReal is not the best tool for the OP?
When composing I too enjoy playing with harmony. One of my favorite sounds is the stacked major 7. Just play a major seven above every note.
With a triad it's a C triad under a B triad under a Bb under an A etc. As a realtime playable chord though you could play a C^ in the left hand and an Eb-^ in the right . I could see using this as an ending chord with a performance oriented chart. Or even with the "Long Tones" style for avant garde playing.
I don't think iReal has the ability to be so specific with voicing a chord? It would be cool though :)

For jazz however , I think some folks may be confused about the function of a chord chart.
Remember Jazz is linear not horizontal . It is the scales of the lead counterpointing with the scales of the bass . The chord instrument function is a little more subjective but it's basically to help progress the harmonic motion moving forward.
For instance in my chart of "ALL OF ME" I use a lot of b97's and b9b13's because those altered notes are what I will most likely play in my solo.
BUT ...I do not want the piano player to bang down b97's and b9b13's. Instead I just want to make sure he doesn't play any major 9's or 13's.
I use this chart for playing with real musicians.
All Of Me Bob - Gerald Marks
and this chart for practicing with the play along feature of iReal.
All Of Me------ Bob - Gerald Marks
To my ears the chart with the b9's and b13's sounds awful.
What do you all think ? :D

Another chord type missing in iRealPro is the diminished Major 7th : 1, b3, b5, 7.
Commonly used in Brazilian music, flamenco, jazz, fusion.
It's basically a dominant b9 chord, but with the root on the top and b9 at the bottom (b9, 3, 5, 1) without the 7th.

By the way: major7 is abbreviated by the Delta Symbol. If there is a 7 behind it this is confusing, because I automatically play the 7.

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Originally Posted by CyrilleB

C-∆7♭5 for instance is actually a B/C (B triad over C bass). This kind of chord can be played without any problem with iRealPro
About the other one X-∆13, I don't think iRealPro can play it exactly.
Using slash chords gives lots of options.
Rather than having a chord library that display all possible combination of chords (possible few thousands!), it would make more sense to have basic chord structures to create all type of chords using slash chords.
I've mentioned in previous posts a few basic chord structures that are missing in iRealPro. With those ones added, a lot of new chords could be created without any problem using slash chords.
For ex:
1) C(b5) which includes the notes C, E and Gb (without the 7th)
2) C-(add9) which includes the notes C, Eb, G, D (without the 7th)
3) Csus(add3) which includes the notes C, F, E, G (without the 7th)
(That chord played with A on the bass Csus(add3)/A can creates a real minor 7th flat 6 chord (FMaj7/A doesn't sound the same with iRealPro). A bunch of other chords could be created as well when using other notes on the bass.
If the developers could add those three chord types, that could considerably expand the chord choices!

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Yes, I agree. The Delta sign means Major 7. But some chord symbols in the iRealPro library include (unnecessarily) the "7" (such as C∆7#11). I'd rather just have C∆#11 to save space

Hello,
I am pretty new to iReal Pro (Android and iOS) and have not been active on this forum much as of yet, but so far I see many basic chords that are often used in jazz missing in the app, which is a bit disappointing to me.

My question is: is the chord list being updated still in new app versions? How often are the updates released? Are the new chords requests being listened by the app authors, in other words: is it worth submitting them here on the forum?

Thanks in advance for you advise.

Marek

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Originally Posted by CyrilleB

C-∆7♭5 for instance is actually a B/C (B triad over C bass).

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C-∆7♭5 does not equal to B/C. The former has E but the latter Eb in it.
Besides, what if I want to place C-∆7♭5 over B, for example, to get a nice Phryg cord?

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Originally Posted by mwoy

C-∆7♭5 does not equal to B/C. The former has E but the latter Eb in it.
Besides, what if I want to place C-∆7♭5 over B, for example, to get a nice Phryg cord?

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"-" (dash) means "minor 3rd", so if you have a C-∆7b5, there's no major third in there, so the chord notes would be C, Eb, Gb, B. The last top 3 notes (Eb, Gb, B or actually D#, F#, B are from a Bmaj triad. This is why C-∆7b5 is equal to B/C

It seems to me that CdimMaj7 needs to be added to the chord list. (Don't know how to notate with little circle and triangle)

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Originally Posted by raymb1

It seems to me that CdimMaj7 needs to be added to the chord list. (Don't know how to notate with little circle and triangle)

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B7/C contains C,Eb,Gb,A,B with your root (C) on the bottom.
The same notes are included in Co/B, Ebo/B, Gbo/B and Ao/B. But, then the maj.7th (B) would be voiced on the bottom
:))BOB

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Originally Posted by mwoy

Hello,
I am pretty new to iReal Pro (Android and iOS) and have not been active on this forum much as of yet, but so far I see many basic chords that are often used in jazz missing in the app, which is a bit disappointing to me.

My question is: is the chord list being updated still in new app versions? How often are the updates released? Are the new chords requests being listened by the app authors, in other words: is it worth submitting them here on the forum?

Thanks in advance for you advise.

Marek

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Just curious Marek, which basic chords are missing.
Thanks

Here's my list of missing chords in the IRP chord library. Those chords listed below can't be substituted with slash chords.
Some of them are really important. Especially the Minor 13th (including the flat 7th):

C2(Maj7) or CMaj9(omit 3): 1, 2, 5, 7 (can be used to play a Gsus(add3)
C(#4): 1, 5, 3, #4
C(b5): 1, 3, b5
Cm13: 1, b3, 5, b7, 9, 11, 13
Cm(add9): 1, b3, 5, 9 (for pop/rock/folk)
Cm7(add11): 1, b3, 5, b7, 11
Dim(Maj7): 1, b3, b5, 7
Cm7(add13): 1, b3, 5, b7, 13
C-9(add13): 1, b3, 5, b7, 9, 13
C7(omit 3): 1, 5, b7 (for blues/rock)
C (bass): 1
CMaj13(#11): 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, #11, 13
C(b9): 1, b9, 3, 5 (for flamenco)
C13b9(#11): 1, b7, b9, 3, #11, 13
CMaj7sus: 1, 4, 5, 7

I would like to be able design my own Chord structures . I would purchase the necessary upgrade .

Hi, I#am missin the Xmadd9 Chords too. is there a way to get them?
THX

I second that one too. I've been requested it for a long time!

Why can't I have a F-Maj7sharp5?

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Originally Posted by Tixrus

Why can't I have a F-Maj7sharp5?

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Did your mean Fmin(Maj)#5?
You can get this chord by using Dbm/F

There's a chord type 7sus(add3) available in the chord library, but there is no sus(add3) (without the 7th).
From the 2000+ songs that I've transcribed so far, the sus(add3) is used much more than the 7sus(add3).
I really hope this chord type chord can be added soon

Is there any chance of having more guitar chords.

The ability to create and name our own guitar chord library would be a massive improvement.