Roman numeral option?

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03-30-2016, 08:06 AM
ctrlzjones

Roman numeral option?

I am used to 'abstract' the function of harmonies memorizing them as roman numbers for easy transposing.

I totally love the option to show the sheet as 'absolute' chords, relating to the key as numbers; you call it 'Number Notation' ...
The only thing is that I am back in math class when I see the symbol as 4-7 or 2-7 or 57. I would find it way easier to get this as IV-7, II-7 or V7 as this also seem to be the good practise in theory books ...

I am sure this is not a big deal to change in the code but would increase to read-ablity a lot (or is it only me?)

Thank you for considering.
03-30-2016, 12:00 PM
pdxdjazz

Roman numerals have not been implemented in iReal pro (yet...)

This may be of use to you:
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...6404#post16404
:))BOB
04-05-2016, 07:23 AM
ctrlzjones

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxdjazz

Roman numerals have not been implemented in iReal pro (yet...)

This may be of use to you:
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...6404#post16404
:))BOB

Well, as this is the forums part for feature requests, and as I see in the thread you posted that there is a request for having the option for a 'roman display' dating back from 2011:

I would like to ask kindly to reconsider ...
Or, as the 'urban dictionary' would say: BUMP.
Just that. Please pass the word.

Thank you.
04-06-2016, 09:04 PM
raymb1

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctrlzjones

I am used to 'abstract' the function of harmonies memorizing them as roman numbers for easy transposing.

I totally love the option to show the sheet as 'absolute' chords, relating to the key as numbers; you call it 'Number Notation' ...
The only thing is that I am back in math class when I see the symbol as 4-7 or 2-7 or 57. I would find it way easier to get this as IV-7, II-7 or V7 as this also seem to be the good practise in theory books ...

I am sure this is not a big deal to change in the code but would increase to read-ablity a lot (or is it only me?)

Thank you for considering.

IV-7 and the others work well in harmony class, In the real world and almost all chord charts it's Gm7, Em7 or A7
04-30-2016, 06:16 AM
monkeybiscuits

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymb1

IV-7 and the others work well in harmony class...

Exactly! Roman numerals would be a great feature for people like me who are still in harmony class.
06-03-2016, 03:42 AM
ronwijnands

1 Attachment(s)

Jazz students request Roman functional harmony analysis

Attachment 412

See attached file.

Functional Roman harmony is different from the numeral option. It helps you to pick the right scales when improvising.
It also hepls you memorising jazz standards.

Jazz students would be eternal thankful. 😉
08-31-2016, 08:07 AM
ctrlzjones

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronwijnands

Attachment 412

Functional Roman harmony is different from the numeral option.

+1 to that

Assuming that it may be tricky to relate the functions to the key centers - as they are sometimes ambiguous too; having only the option to look at Roman symbols would be great.

It is just that Roman symbols are so much easier to read, separating the chords from its extensions ...
A V7 looks way friendlier than a 57 ...

It cannot be so difficult to do; changing the font ...
08-31-2016, 11:44 AM
pdxdjazz

Have you seen this?
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...6404#post16404
:))BOB
09-05-2016, 11:03 AM
ctrlzjones

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxdjazz

Have you seen this?
http://www.irealb.com/forums/showthr...6404#post16404
:))BOB

Thanks for answering.

Yes, this is exactly what I (and a few others, as I've seen) would like to have inside of iReal ... I am not a coder but I assume that is would not take more than one or two lines in order to change the font ...
04-25-2017, 07:56 AM
BobVerde

this is the requests I was going to post myself!!
please IREAL do that!!
04-25-2017, 12:09 PM
Niki

Please cast your vote here:
http://www.irealpro.com/feature-request/
Thank you!
08-06-2019, 01:59 PM
COLINCARROLL2511

Harmonic Analysis feature?

It be nice to see a harmonic analysis feature where by the user could see the chord relationships outlined at the click of a button.
08-06-2019, 02:16 PM
pdxdjazz

Quote:

Originally Posted by COLINCARROLL2511

It be nice to see a harmonic analysis feature where by the user could see the chord relationships outlined at the click of a button.

This may be helpful
Number Notation
https://technimo.helpshift.com/a/ire...umber-notation
:))BOB
09-01-2019, 11:05 AM
JLH

Chiffrage romain des accords

Est-il possible d'afficher un chiffrage romain des accords avec irai Pro? Au lieu d'afficher 1∆, 2m7, 3m7, 4∆, etc, est-il possible d'afficher I∆, IIm7, IIIm7, IV∆, etc ? Merci de votre réponse.
09-01-2019, 05:31 PM
dflat

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLH

Est-il possible d'afficher un chiffrage romain des accords avec irai Pro? Au lieu d'afficher 1∆, 2m7, 3m7, 4∆, etc, est-il possible d'afficher I∆, IIm7, IIIm7, IV∆, etc ? Merci de votre réponse.

Hello, we have this on one of our lists for consideration in a future update.
Thank you.
09-24-2021, 08:04 PM
iforwms

Are there any updates to this feature request? Any news of when it will be available? I'm using iReal on Mac and Android.
11-29-2021, 09:36 PM
Zydekat

I'm with you on this suggestion. Roman numerals make memorizing faster and easier. An I never liked Nashville numbering 'cause it doent indicate major or minor quality; you have to remember what kind of scale or mode you're in, and to me, that's just more work! Of course, Massimo has built in quick and easy transposition, but the Old Skool part of me still wants to see the Roman numerals. Maybe it's a plus to learn and be familiar with both, since we run into both in the wild...?
12-05-2021, 07:26 PM
terrytocz

Yes, I agree completely! I too am learning to name chords and memorize chord progressions using their Roman Numeral symbols. Arabic numerals refer to scale degrees, not chords. Thanks for suggesting this!
08-06-2022, 01:39 AM
ctrlzjones

Roman instead of latin numbers in the ChordChart settings

Hello dear developers,

I have written this input some years ago... Am I the only who finds it disturbing to see the combination of 2 latin letters for representing the function of a chord?

2-7 57 1^7 instead of II-7 V7 I^7

looks to me more like a math formula than a chord chart. There must be more users who find such symbols odd. I never came across something like it, in no theory book, never.

It should not be a big challenge to take this into account for the next update and would make things so much easier.

Thank you & have a nice day.
08-06-2022, 05:14 PM
dflat

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctrlzjones

2-7 57 1^7 instead of II-7 V7 I^7
looks to me more like a math formula than a chord chart. There must be more users who find such symbols odd. I never came across something like it, in no theory book, never.

Hello, just to clarify, the current Numbers font is loosely based on the Nashville number system. Here are a few references but you will find many more with a search if you are interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_Number_System
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/th...m-demystified/
https://www.premierguitar.com/lesson...-number-system

We do have our users choosing the Numbers font, because they are used to reading numbers, others use them for teaching, some practice reading numbers to get used to reading any Nashville number charts they might encounter, some print PDFs in the Numbers font where the key has yet to be determined.
[In the Nashville system there are a number of added indications and symbols to indicate what to play which are missing in the iReal Pro Numbers font, so some export the PDF in numbers then annotate so it conveys more information and conforms more to the Nashville system for their players.]

We are aware some of our users would like Roman numerals to be added as an alternative and would presumably be very similar to how the Numbers font works.
Thank you for your comment :)
02-26-2023, 11:21 AM
ctrlzjones

Why not include the option to display the changes as ROMAN letters instead of latin

This request has been asked a couple of times for, since the very beginnings... It can only be a small change in the code, would only take a couple of minutes to do that... and it would be so much better to view the changes in the "number notation" not as

|1-7 77 |b7-7 67|

but as

|I-7 VII7 |bVII-7 VI7|

wouldn't it?

My warmest regards and thanks.
xoxo
03-01-2023, 04:47 PM
CyrilleB

Automatic number systems can only work with simple diatonic tunes in IRP because only one key can be set for the entire tune. So forget about modulations and key changes. That wouldn't make any sense to have numbers when a tune modulates from the key of C to the key of F for example
08-27-2023, 04:09 PM
ctrlzjones

Please please please please

add roman letters for the chords functions to that update. That would make things so much easier to read. You are already halfway there, you have latin letters for the functions just change them to roman... It doesn't seem much, but reading "b37" or "bIII7" makes a huge difference to our eyes and brains.
08-28-2023, 03:30 PM
ctrlzjones

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyrilleB

Automatic number systems can only work with simple diatonic tunes in IRP because only one key can be set for the entire tune. So forget about modulations and key changes. That wouldn't make any sense to have numbers when a tune modulates from the key of C to the key of F for example

10 years later, hahaha: Well, we already have the option to view the changes as latin numbers. All I'm suggesting is to change those to roman for easier reading.